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Belle’s Journey
Written by Dr. Rob Bierregaard & Illustrated by Kate Garchinsky
Take flight with Belle, an osprey born on Martha’s Vineyard as she learns to fly and migrates for the first time to Brazil and back–a journey of more than 8,000 miles.
IMPORTANT: Messages from osprey experts
I haven’t seen the little guy yet this morning, but I would be very surprised if he survived the night. That sure was tough to watch yesterday, but that whole process is as much a part of the essence of being an Osprey as is eating a fish. It’s part of the life of Ospreys that was rarely seen before we started putting cameras in nests. As hard as it is, we should not label the behavior as mean or cruel. Being mean or cruel implies that there is intent to do harm just for harm’s sake. Those young were responding to a set of stimuli (very little food being delivered to the nest and the presence of a very small young) in a way that evolution has hard-wired into them. It helps ensure their survival. Nature is not cruel. It is harsh, unforgiving, and often random (had the little guy been born 1st, he would have been just as aggressive as was his sibling), but not cruel or mean.
Paul Henry ospreyzone July 1, 2015 at 8:17 am
Thanks Rob for bringing your knowledge and experience to help us all gain perspective here. We are all saddened by the events that unfolded before our eyes and it’s only natural for all of us to feel and express our emotions appropriately. There have been many issues pertaining to intervention which have been discussed amongst us all. There is no doubt in my mind that the right decision was made, to let nature take it’s course. By the way, that doesn’t equate to heartless, on the contrary, nobody feels worse about this then the apparent decision makers. I say apparent, because when all was said and done, and all the issues were properly weighed, there really weren’t any other options. It was clearly pointed out, by experts, that intervening at this stage could have spooked the whole nest to the point of losing all the young. If the little one was saved, and nursed back to health, what kind of a life would it have had, perhaps caged up in a zoo. I remember when I was younger I saw a golden eagle in captivity, caged behind a wire mesh. I could practically see it’s tears. As far as placing the little one in another nest, such a low probability of success would never have justified the possibility of spooking the nest. There’s a piece of me, however heavy hearted, that believes that perhaps it is better to be born free and die free. We mourn for the little one as we marvel at the wonders of nature.
Hello Paul,
Thanks for your query, and you have my admiration for persevering. We know very well how tough your job is, including dealing with an anxious public.
Our policy with our Bird Cams project is essentially “just say no” to pleas for interference. The behavior you are witnessing – while seemingly cruel and heartless to us – is natural for many kinds of birds, especially those that feed on variable, unpredictable food supplies. The little nestling does have a chance to survive, but if it does not then that result was “meant to be” by the nature of Osprey breeding strategy. The wonderful things about these nest cameras also sometimes yield the difficult things for us to watch. As you might know, we actually post a “siblicide alert” on some of our cams where we suspect the possibility exists.
I’m copying your note to Charles Eldermire, project leader for our Bird Cams. He may have some additional comments, and he would be the one to ask if we might be able to use your stored files for biological analysis.
Best wishes, and good luck,
John W. Fitzpatrick
Director, Cornell Lab of Ornithology
It’s also important to acknowledge that intervening can also cause problems of its own—depending on the ages of the birds in the nest, disturbing them can trigger an early fledge. We have restricted the scenarios in which we would even consider intervening to injuries or dangers that are explicitly human-derived. For example, 3 or 4 years ago we were alerted by viewers that one of the osprey chicks at the Hellgate Osprey nest was entangled in monofilament line. We consulted with our partners there (wildlife biologists, raptor researchers, raptor rehabbers) to determine if the monofilament was an issue, and if intervening was both likely to solve the issue AND not have bad effects on the other nestlings. In the end, a quick trip to the nest was scheduled via a bucket truck, the monofilament was removed, and the nestlings all eventually fledged. In that case, all of the permits were already in hand to be studying the ospreys, and we had already discussed how to approach issues in the nest.
Good luck to the young one—hope it all turns out well.
charles.
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Charles Eldermire
Bird Cams Project Leader
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
I’ve been to your site—great cam! And I noticed the runt in the nest. This is just normal Osprey reproduction. It happens all the time and you should not intervene. It’s tough to watch, but it’s how nature works. Ospreys almost always lay 3 eggs and on average fledge between 1 and 1.5 young each year. They stagger the hatch so there is a spread of ages in the young. That way, if food is short, the first-hatched (and therefore largest) will get enough food to survive while the smaller nest mates do not. If all three young were the same size and there was only enough food for 1 young, none of the young would get enough food and they would all die. If there’s lots of food, the smallest will eventually get fed and can survive. These nest cams can show some gut-wrenching scenes. The most infamous perhaps was one of the very first Osprey cams (on Long Island somewhere), where the smallest young died. One of the adults carried it out of the nest and after several minutes flew back into the nest and fed it to the other young. Waste-not-want-not at its goriest. At Hog Island up in Maine just last week a Bald Eagle came in and took the young out of the nest. Last year at another nest, cameras documented a Great-horned Owl taking young Ospreys out of a nest in NJ or MD. All of these things have been going on for millions of years and Ospreys are doing fine.
Rob Bierregaard
Academy of Natural Sciences
Drexel University
http://www.ospreytrax.com
Jane knocked down that stick in the corner….
She took it down as she flew in; then, repositioned to not such a great place. She kept going back till she got it to lay flat.
It fascinates me that they are so particular about where they want the nest material! I always assumed it was all haphazard, let the sticks fall where they may…..
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Someone getting their 15 seconds…
@10:38…. Good thing! Jane is getting hangry!
George starts up and re-routes… maybe that stick put him off.
It’s a good sized headless fish for a hungry lady.
Jane in her usual TY pose, before leaving
George hung around a bit, beak cleaning and a little nestorating
I haven’t seen any mating today, for some reason
Spoke too soon….she got fed; he got busy…
Look at that blue sky! 53 now, going up a few degrees.
Jane was alarming…. and then we see incoming.
Jane made a leap after the bird as it passed, hitting the camera,,,,
she was right back, with George coming right behind her.
05:12……….. Morning, Jane
And here’s George…. happy to see you!
Having a chat…
Jane was out for a while, but is back, yapping, sometimes looking straight up to the perch. Haven’t seen George lately.
Temps dropping to around 40 tonight under cloudy skies, with a slight chance of showers this evening.
Tomorrow should be a good day, highs to mid 50s under partly sunny skies.
I haven’t watched this nest in quite a while. What happened to Gracie?
in 2018, the camera was late in starting.
When it came up, there was a new girl in town. Named Jane by the site owners (as in George and Jane Jetson) she was apparently a first time mother. It took a lot of help from the excellent George to get through the first season.
There were visits from an intruder that some of us believed to be Gracie (from her markings) We never knew why Gracie was ousted, if that was the case. Speculation ranged from she returned late, when Jane was already in possession, to she never made it back(and it wasn’t Gracie we saw).
In any case, Jane turned in to a good mom, with George’s guidance, and raised the single chick that hatched that year. Last year, she raised 2 chicks (a 3rd 1 died in just a few days)
If you go to the pages listed at the bottom of this page, you could probably find your way back to get the story. Have fun!
2018 starts around pg.190
Hopen eggs layer soon. Osprey on pseg nest in oysterbay have 3 eggs. Fun to watch.
I watch that camera as well 😀
Poor Jane got tangled in those grasses and did a face plant, shoved George and struggled to get up in that corner with the empty spot…. but she’s fine.
I have recording voices of our family since 2016… I am no expert but just have pictures of voice……look a patterns not the same…
TY, June c….we’re wondering about it. Hopefully, it will get decided soon.
The odd part is when I listen to recordings they sound the same….ha
George coming in with a contribution…..
Have I mentioned 50 Shades of Gray too often/ Because that looks like a whip………………
Stop !!! 😂 …..whip it real good
Jane taking a selfie….
It’s almost 12:30 now…. the usual comings and goings… some yelling at the skies…..some building materials coming in….. and , of course, some hanky-panky….a quiet osprey day…..
What a clawfull!!!!!
I found a picture that is in a frame from one of the people who post pictures of Jane in the same selfie pose. I also don’t think this is Jane. Last year we couldn’t really see anything, so my only pictures and memories are from 2018. I am just giving the experts some perspective in pictures.
Thanks! All opinions appreciated! I passed the question along to moderators, who will take up with owners as to what they want to do — rename or not, if they agree with us. Have had more than a few posters who don’t think it’s Jane2018
Carol— I copied that selfie of the osprey and then found the above picture. It was clearer than it appears here. The necklace is definitely different. Someone made this framed picture in June 2018. I had a print of it. Who knows????
That’s a great pic of Janes beautiful necklace ….
It’s so great to see the video up and running. Thanks so much, Osprey Zone, for brightening these crazy days. Glad to see that George and Jane are still together and planning another family!
Snacktime!
The neighbors are shopping while the O’Spreys are out.
Having twitter wars on my patio with these guys cousins getting set up for the season.
Jane’s looking damp around the edges….. George was in about 5:15ish for their morning exercise. Looked a little 1/2 hearted.. Do osprey get depressed by the weather, too?
Thought this was George coming in @6:19 but it went on by.
Here he is @06:43 with breakfish! Jane got a little hung up in the grasses. She was dragging with her beak and was trying to get a clawhold before she went…. it looked touch and go, but she’s been out for awhile, so hopefully she hung on…..
Jane was back @7:14 with leftovers…
George was in shortly for dessert
If George knew the current status in NY, he would never leave that nest !!
19:50… Just when I thought we were done for the night, George brings in supper. Jane doesn’t say no and goes off for her din-din.
Checking it out for fit
Break in the rain…. after midnight…40-50% chance of showers thru the morning
Jane checking in…. and out
winds ENE @20mph… showers off and on….
I missed this! TY to Mary Anne Miller, who posted about this on FB!
Jane is in the nest, with fish in foot, alarming…
George arrives , draping a BIG partial fish along her back
Jane leaves, without her fish….
George leaves, with his fish…
…..and Mr. Clever, eagle-eyed seagull, did a grab and go, laughing all the way!
Does anyone remember a seagull showing up here before?
Believe this is the guy… saw the pink legs
Extremely clever, and plenty of them!
11:55…… George fights the wind to take care of business………..
12:10……. Jane floats down to nestorate…
………….winds out of the East @19mph…. still waiting for the rain… slow mover
10:43…. no rain yet… but anytime. Temp is about 47, the HIGH for the day, Forecast shows rain all day and through to tomorrow….. so many rain songs running thru my head…. blahhhhhh
Jane is in and out… staring across that choppy bay. She goes to perch and calls .
OMG… I agree…Jane had a darker necklace…
@7:26– George hit the perch as Jane floated in with 1/2 a fish, followed by another osprey. I didn’t see George deliver that fish….
George drops down to have Jane’s back.
When it calms down, George was asking if he could see that fish, so Jane took off.
George did deliver the fish @07:10…. which, of course, Jane took to go.
George was in @05:18 to take care of business and has been in and out. Jane just watching the skies.
Jane trying out the nest cup…..
What a gorgeous day today! FELT like spring!
And then…… clear skies till midnight; clouds coming in. Temps 45-46. And then more April showers starting in a.m. whoopee
Just throwing this out there for opinions…..
I wasn’t 100% sure of the identity of this female, and frankly, thought it was easier to believe it was Jane. But I had a little doubt. I felt the dark feathers on her face were wrong and the back of her head was closer to George’s than I remembered. And comments were posted by others that her necklace wasn’t as elaborate.
Then, I got a message from Betsy, a long time watcher and my go-to person on identification. She believes this is NOT Jane and that the intruder quite possibly is…. a repeat of 2 years ago… out with the old, in with the new.
I’m posting pics of Jane from 2 years ago with similar pics of this year’s “Jane”‘
If people feel this is NOT Jane, there can be a discussion on renaming, which is generally done by Tommy and Christina, the owners. And then we can all start worrying if George is breaking in ANOTHER new chicky-momma…………
HEAD-……… 2018 Jane 0n LEFT
Make that TOP…. off to a good start!
CHEST- 2018 on TOP
UNDERWING……… 2018 TOP
Carol, I have been thinking that it wasn’t Jane, too. Jane’s necklace was so beautiful. I then got to wondering if this is Gracie back again? We also have be open to the possibility that it is one of George and Gracie’s offspring from two years ago who would be returning to the nest this season. If it isn’t Jane, I hope she is safe somewhere.
I think you might be right. I thought her necklace looked different, I even commented on it but I didn’t watch too much in 2018 because, Gracie, and then last year I just couldn’t look thru the s**t to possibly see what was going on so I will leave it to the die hards who watched last year and know Jane better than I do. I just hope that if this is a new mate for George things go better for him than they did with Jane the first year!
That’s my concern too. Might also explain why no egg yet. Jane was late laying eggs her first year. And will this be a first time mom. As enlightening as that season was, I’d not want to watch those trials again so soon…….
Hi All,
I am guessing that Jane at least didn’t show up much before the camera came on on Good Friday because otherwise there would be an egg. They sure have been “trying” for one quite diligently!
Around 1:30 they were both making the cutest head tilts & noises 🔉
10:45…. George is back with the leftovers.
I think Jane anticipated something else, because she was doing her booty-dance.
When she discovered the fishtail, she was in no hurry to get it….. and had her snack right in the nest.
Mating season ….I always feel like a Peeping Tom during this time 👀
@7:36….. George brings breakfish….. Jane has come back to the nest still carrying her bounty fish….. poor George gets no love so takes his fish to go.
Jane goes out, leaving her fish for later.
Both birds have been in and out with the spare fish just lying there.
George decides to stand on it so we can see his pretty face, then steps out, taking it with him for safe keeping. George is thrifty. We’ve seen in the past that he will carry fish around till needed…..
OK…. That is not George;\’s pretty face in that first pic! Don’t know how it got dragged along, but that was a shot I always loved of Gracie ! Guess she’s making an appearance this year after all! Just stressing…. that is not current!
At first, I thought this was George coming in…. Jane hadn’t even noticed this yet.
Suddenly, Jane is bowled over by a battering ram of fish! The intruder flew right in to her, got the fish stuck under her and kicked her on the way out!
.Good look at intruder…
.Jane got kicked out but was back in a minute
After the drama comes the funny!
Jane sat for a minute after her return.
Then, as if she couldn’t believe her eyes, she stares across the nest. She starts carefully scanning all around her before crossing the nest. THE FISH! That other bird lost her fish!
Jane went back to her spot on the left, still looking all around to be sure the coast (literally ) was clear. before slowly approaching and claiming the treasure. Even when she had it, she sat and scanned the area before taking off with breakfish….
The view is up close and personal….. and Good Morning to you!
They’ve been sitting, gazing around. Jane is chatting quietly. George managed some bonding when he flew in….. he left a minute ago.
It’s calling for clear skies after midnight, temps 41-42…… and Sun tomorrow! Temps mid 50s.
Save some of that energy for fishing……
Very pointed look from Jane…
Just a few comments… went thru a little nostalgia trip and saw some fun moments.
DIANE F- page 190 is a good place to start if you want to check out 2018…. the year of the great upset, when Jane moved in. * don’t forget, pages read , in general, from bottom to top.*
PAULA and CHRIS H…. just spotted your kind words… TY!
NFC’…… came across the comments from your 5th graders — pg. 198… so cute! And intuitively insightful!
…….198 is also the blowfish/beachball Jane delivered
I only went through a few pages. It was nice seeing all the post from so many different people. Hope you are all still out there. And staying safe and well.
This is the 2nd hit and run in about 20mins. About the only time she shuts up when he’s around!
FISH,,,,FISH…….. um, George?
@14:05…..Jane was harassed by an intruder…..
Jane watches as it approaches and went RIGHT OVER her!
She’s pumped up and ready when it swings back through for a 2nd pass ….
…. and says it’s not moving fast enough so goes out to move it along!
Feisty young Jane ! 💪🏼
George certainly picks strong women!
J & G surveying the neighborhood.
It started raining about 11:15ish. No one in sight.
I haven’t watched here regularly after the heartbreak a few years ago. I know that George and Gracie came back after that, but now I see that the female is named “June”. Can you please tell me what happened to Gracie and how June became George’s lady? Thank you—I appreciate it!!!
It’s Jane , she basically fought Gracie last year to become the number one female of George’s heart . Quite the osprey love triangle 😀
Diane…. in 2018, the camera was late in starting.
When it came up, there was a new girl in town. Named Jane by the site owners (as in George and Jane Jetson) she was apparently a first time mother. It took a lot of help from the excellent George to get through the first season.
There were visits from an intruder that some of us believed to be Gracie (from her markings) We never knew why Gracie was ousted, if that was the case. Speculation ranged from she returned late, when Jane was already in possession, to she never made it back(and it wasn’t Gracie we saw).
In any case, Jane turned in to a good mom, with George’s guidance, and raised the single chick that hatched that year. Last year, she raised 2 chicks (a 3rd 1 died in just a few days)
If you go to the pages listed at the bottom of this page, you could probably find your way back to get the story. Have fun!
breakfish!!!!!
George brings a big, whole fish for Jane today! Does he know something we don’t??? Does Jane need lots of protein???
Looked like Jane was taking George with her!
She barely said TY before taking off with this prize!
Jane sunk as she left nest…….. hasn’t had one that big in a while!
“Be careful, Honey!!!”
Jane returned with her now headless fish and called for George…. guess she remembered to THANK him…..
Thank you very much for the recap video♥︎ Jane did a great job handling that hail storm!!
Jane is straightening the nest after a rainy night.
There’s a break in the rain for a few hours but it looks like it returns late morning for the rest of the afternoon. Temps a steady 45-46.
Both birds have been in and out.
Jane added some things to the nest and did some nestorating….
Old plastic……… boooo
A stick….
And rearranging spiky grass tufts…
George drops in to give Jane a hug…
Is she planning on laying an egg soon or is she just teasing us? She’s been hanging out for 2 days!
I loved the playback weekly video. It showed important things for the week.
George showed up with another biggie…..
He wrestled it carefully in to place…………….
………..then turned around and hit it with his tail!
going, ,,,,, GOing,,,,,,,, Gone
Please CarolV never stop the commentary for this nest! I wish you did it for all of them that I watch. It definitely makes it more enjoyable!
I completely agree!!
Moving in the big stuff today! George just misses Jane…
We are getting a large sofa….
You can see it from the distance as George flies in. He has it in one foot and some reeds in the other…
WONKY FEATHER ALERT !!!!!
@08:30….I missed the breakfish delivery at first because there was no song&dance from Jane.! I think she was expecting the morning “kiss” and sat hunched in position as George flew in.
It took a minute for her to spot it.
She stayed on the nest to eat and when George flew in some seaweed, she wasn’t defensive as she often is.
5:17am…. George went right to his submissive pose and held it a couple of minutes; Jane came down from the perch to ignore him with love.
George found a great V-stick and carefully chose the perfect place. Jane had no opinion…
Overcast is the forecast…. 50% chance of quick shower midday…. mid 40s
Jane in the fading sun….. she spent a good bit of time in that spot….. just sitting and watching and dozing….
She headed up to perch just after 8…
George made up for the minnow he brought earlier!
Jane was very excited and almost tripped getting out of the nest! Bon Appetit !!
George dis some nestorations and his cute wiggle….
Jane was back in 10 mins, with fish in foot. She stood there till George looked at her and took off again!
George has been in and out; Jane mostly stayed on the nest.
She was putting in a lunch request……..
George is back with a DIET lunch…. fish on the small size, after George had a share.
Jane hung for a bit, guarding her fish… Dracula pose
Looked like Jane was heading for perch, dragging some floor mat with her, but George’s gaze followed her off to the left
George answers the call for lunch!
It looks windy there again. I don’t know what’s up with the strong winds everywhere. We have been having a lot of wind advisories and warnings in Ohio as well. I guess it’s probably to do with climate change but I really wish it would calm down here as well as on the nest!
HAPPY EARTH DAY!!!!!🌍🌎🌏
In a relatively short time, places are reporting cleaner air and water quality. Mother Earth reacts quickly when we stop pouring out the poisons….. Let’s listen and take heart in her message and pay more attention
If only!
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So true! The effects are amazing. Hopefully this is a wake-up call and the trend continues. I’m optimistic.
Jane defending her nest!
Good Morning!!!!! A sunny way to start the day! Supposed to be a cool windy one, with temps only mid 40s.
Jane flew in, landed right there and chirped in the lens, before exiting left.
George brought a smallish piece of fish which Jane was happy to take. It;\’s been 2 rough days, between the intruder, staying away for hours and getting pounded by hail! More than a poor girl can take! I didn’t see much feeding, unless she caught something herself while gone– or George fed her where ever she was.
Camera was down about an hour. No one in nest.when it came up.
Just took a quick check and saw at least 3 osprey over the water. Two came very close together. Jane flew straight in and bounced right out, going back to where 2 other osprey were circling. Looked like she got very close to one again. Be glad when it gets dark and she can rest!
Temps going down to mid 30s tonight… not one of our balmy Aprils!
Don’t know why that blue line appeared…Here’s a cleaner version I hope…
Here’s what happens when the wind is simply too strong!
Precipitating…. almost looked like tiny hail but at the least, rain. Jane wound up vacating, Hopefully looking for some shelter.
@4:20pm…. just had thunder and hard downpour at my house, southwest of OZ….. watching ch.12 weather…. a long front is approaching OZ…
fortunately, it’s moving fast and should pass through quickly.
Hang on to your feathers, G&J! Hope you have some cover!
OH WOW! I missed it! Checked over to FB-OZ and someone posted…. so I backtracked.
Those white spots on the water aren’t all whitecaps…. hail! Poor girl!
She left after this…. hopefully to shelter.
Thanks to your pictures able to capture Janes markings…front..rear..side..
Good clear pics to help…!
Without the usual clutter, they can hunker down low during this wind 🌬 today
Hi Trinity….nice clean nest….of course the plastic bag is their signature…..
That’s new for Jane. It was a Gracie thing. Maybe they met up and Gracie passed along decorating tips
Looks like Jane is setting up to have egg….
Well happy not today…but I am guessing close!
Came back to this amusing scene! The camera did a skip so we didn’t see him come in….. just dancing on a smush-faced Jane.
Jane and her plastic flag both rippling in the wind
Reportedly, 18mph, from the south, but it looks gustier…
And look whose trying out the nest cup! Unless she’s just ducking out of the wind!
Plz tell me how to tell George and Jane apart. I’m assuming Jane spends most of time in nest.
Jane has a dark necklace. They both spend plenty of time there. George does bring in much of the nesting material.
I live southwest of here. We just had a quick hailstorm! The wind is really rippin’ at OZ….let’s see what comes!
Hit and run…… George stops by.
Haven’t seen any rain there… saw the clouds pass by . Not unusual for quick storms to run down one fork and not the other. We just got another quick shower. Forecast wasn’t calling for it but it is showing rain on both sides of the Island this afternoon.
Hey, there’s our girl! Took a short time away….Good Morning, Lady!
George is VERY happy to see her………
Another encounter with intruder…. up close and personal. Flew off down to right…..
Still checking but this is the last time I saw her this afternoon.
She looks like she is doing a flip…you caught great shots…was that the plastic bag on her wings…
Because I have to slow down the video to catch shots, at times, it may look a little blurry in spots, making feathers look a little plastic. Not sure which shot you’re looking at… sometimes wings or parts of intruder look like they are sticking out…
I’m not sure where the bag was in these, but it does show again later.
TY … glad you enjoyed
I haven’t seen or heard Jane in hours. George has been in a few times and was calling for her about 4ish.
Lots of confrontation today….Jane going after this one. It (she?) dropped whatever it was carrying . Jane escorted it away.
Intruders galore….Covid boredom?
Jane set the camera shaking when she launched from the perch………. She came racing in with the intruder over her shoulder on the right.
They went for each other, claws extended…..
Then we could see them over on the left with Jane in pursuit……. lot of action today!
Beautiful view of Jane’s under wing… She sounded like she was challenging….. she’s back to perch